Hello Roon!

20 Apr 24 17:28, you wrote to Nightfox:

Hello Nightfox,

12 Apr 24 14:31, you wrote to Exodus:

So many systems on autopilot... and then they just stop...

I don't, and never have understood the "thrill" of setting up a
BBS, not doing anything to it, never logging into it, never
checking on it, but let it run with nothing on it.

I would say the exact opposite, I put ffort on it and do a lot, then nobody connects, I trad and reply to many echomails but in my own personal case/way I try to do stuff, but it becomes like fruitless when you check your IN logsnad only SysOp logged in.

I get it we all have some other stuff to do and now with even the toilet using tiktok who cares about a black screen with green letters some luser setup in Colombia?.

I think a lot of sysops do put time to customize it, but sometimes
I think some sysops get busy and their BBS becomes a low priority
for them for a while but they still want to keep running it. They
might get back to it at some point when they have more free time.

this is similar to my case. i try to read netmail/private messages in every 1-2-3 days, but sometimes i just don't have the energy for it
and i'll sleep instead. in this year i've travelled a lot, i have a
2.5 year old kid, sometimes i have to work ;) and i've started to
renew with my 2 hands one of our houses + sport + other hobbies. :)

It'd be so great that areas were more active hub RPs were more welcoming and helpful but I see the same behaviour and obnoxiousness I saw back then,"it's your system", "you're i the wrong" and so on... I remeber back I 99 I had this friend in Spain he ran RafaBBS, he would spend hours trying to help me, now people just hope that you read between the lines on their two line replies blaming you...

Things like:

I just saw a message welcoming you to Micronet from Nick in
MIN_ADMIN.

I ahven't even recived a single pkt from there, and so many ther things that really discourage sysopes/people.

:Like when you take the time to ask a question and even if some dude knows the answer he'll tell you RTFM... WTF?... Like with that attitude you show the world you sufferted hell setting things up and others should suffer much more. Isn't it more helpful to say "have you checked...".

I've found nice people when getting back to BBSing but some are just ....

Rant terminated

David


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I would say the exact opposite, I put ffort on it and do a lot, then
nobody connects, I trad and reply to many echomails but in my own
personal case/way I try to do stuff, but it becomes like fruitless
when you check your IN logsnad only SysOp logged in.

I can understand that, most BBSes get very few logins these days. Unless
you're running a BBS for your own personal enjoyment rather than an
attempt to get users logging in, your (most likely) going to be
disappointed.

I get it we all have some other stuff to do and now with even the
toilet using tiktok who cares about a black screen with green letters
some luser setup in Colombia?.

It's not really about your setup, I think the number of people that set
up a BBS do so, then a few weeks later realize it's not like it was in
the 90s, pull it down again. Why go through the effort of signing up to a
BBS if it's going to be gone in a few weeks (speaking generally) and has
the same stuff all the other BBSes have? That said, it's still nice to encourage new sysops by visiting their work every now and then.

It'd be so great that areas were more active hub RPs were more
welcoming and helpful but I see the same behaviour and obnoxiousness I
saw back then,"it's your system", "you're i the wrong" and so on... I remeber back I 99 I had this friend in Spain he ran RafaBBS, he would
spend hours trying to help me, now people just hope that you read
between the lines on their two line replies blaming you...

Yeah, there are a lot of obnoxious people on BBSes, you'll learn who they
are soon enough, but there are some nice people too, I don't know who you
are refering to with RPs, but agree there are some who are not very
welcoming and some that are.

Again it comes down to a bit of a catch 22, people are tired of helping
people setting up new systems who just disappear again in a few weeks,
and people disappear because no one helps them or makes them feel welcome.

:Like when you take the time to ask a question and even if some dude
knows the answer he'll tell you RTFM... WTF?... Like with that
attitude you show the world you sufferted hell setting things up and
others should suffer much more. Isn't it more helpful to say "have you checked...".

Yes it is, and I totally agree with you. If you're going to reply RTFM, I
think it's better not to reply at all. At least provide a link to the
manual and where you can read it - even paraphrase it in the message.

I've found nice people when getting back to BBSing but some are just
....

Yes, that's the way of everything though.. more so in BBSing I think
because more grumpy old men :P

I hope you stick around, as there are some good people here, it's an
adjustment if you're expecting 1995 - but worth it I think. I haven't
checked out your board yet, mostly because I expected it would be in
spanish (I can only read english) but hey, might as well find out :)

Andrew


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It might also help people if you had the correct address in your origin
line :)

Andrew


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A couple of other suggestions for you BBS:

* Have an option for an english language, spanish as default is fine,
but is hard to navigate if you can't speak spanish

* The local message base can't be written in (probably a security level setting) I was going to write this in your local base but could not.

* Change the welcome screen, we're not all great text mode artists, but
many people are going to see the default mystic welcome screen and assume
your BBS is just a stock mystic install (it's not) and probably just disconnect.

Anyway, good job so far - it's good to have more BBSes in other languages
I think.

Andrew


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Hello apam!

21 Oct 24 07:50, you wrote to me:

I would say the exact opposite, I put ffort on it and do a lot,
then nobody connects, I trad and reply to many echomails but in my
own personal case/way I try to do stuff, but it becomes like
fruitless when you check your IN logsnad only SysOp logged in.

I can understand that, most BBSes get very few logins these days.
Unless you're running a BBS for your own personal enjoyment rather
than an attempt to get users logging in, your (most likely) going to
be disappointed.

Yup!, that's real, I do enjoy logging in to my own BBS and when I see an eye-catching ad, I go check, but you said a very wise phrase down and I'll use that "grumpy old men", the whole scene is filled with that Reddit and everything.

I get it we all have some other stuff to do and now with even the
toilet using tiktok who cares about a black screen with green
letters some luser setup in Colombia?.

It's not really about your setup, I think the number of people that
set up a BBS do so, then a few weeks later realize it's not like it
was in the 90s, pull it down again. Why go through the effort of
signing up to a BBS if it's going to be gone in a few weeks (speaking generally) and has the same stuff all the other BBSes have? That said, it's still nice to encourage new sysops by visiting their work every
now and then.

I wish more poeple thought this way, and I completely understand it's a matter of what makes x bbs different, spanish?. LoL. An encouraging others is a good lesson, I'd sign up to a BBS now and then and check around, I'v efound great ASCII art, and I want to do just that for mine all Terminator themed, but what for, who for?, so I want to get door games apart from sock blackjack on Mystic, nice menus, englis and spanish themes but the I realize those logins are just port-scanners.

It'd be so great that areas were more active hub RPs were more
welcoming and helpful but I see the same behaviour and
obnoxiousness I saw back then,"it's your system", "you're i the
wrong" and so on... I remeber back I 99 I had this friend in Spain
he ran RafaBBS, he would spend hours trying to help me, now people
just hope that you read between the lines on their two line replies
blaming you...

Yeah, there are a lot of obnoxious people on BBSes, you'll learn who
they are soon enough, but there are some nice people too, I don't know
who you are refering to with RPs, but agree there are some who are not very welcoming and some that are.

Again it comes down to a bit of a catch 22, people are tired of
helping people setting up new systems who just disappear again in a
few weeks, and people disappear because no one helps them or makes
them feel welcome.

True, and as I stated before, not even HUBs are welcoming anymore, now everybody wants "automation", what for?, so thay tehy don't have to deal with questions or help newcomers?. anyways as you said, it's a two-way street, carelesss people and grumy old a-holes, sorry about that but I had to get it off my chest.

:Like when you take the time to ask a question and even if some
dude knows the answer he'll tell you RTFM... WTF?... Like with that
attitude you show the world you sufferted hell setting things up
and others should suffer much more. Isn't it more helpful to say
"have you checked...".

Yes it is, and I totally agree with you. If you're going to reply
RTFM, I think it's better not to reply at all. At least provide a link
to the manual and where you can read it - even paraphrase it in the message.

Feels a lot like thos Linux phpBB, whre you find laughs about your questions or "why would you do that?", man a-holness loud and clear like the '90s

I've found nice people when getting back to BBSing but some are
just
....

Yes, that's the way of everything though.. more so in BBSing I think because more grumpy old men :P

I hope you stick around, as there are some good people here, it's an adjustment if you're expecting 1995 - but worth it I think. I haven't checked out your board yet, mostly because I expected it would be in spanish (I can only read english) but hey, might as well find out :)

I will, and this is the paragra[h where i reiterate, I'm still trying to get menus translated but when I think about the time it'll take to test with mystic which to be honest it's more complex than RA and no previe or ALT+V everytime you add a single letter is PITA and not worth it, and I know "you get what you get free for".

As I mentioned, I want to make it terminator themed and bi-lingual which I think I can handle, I have some time in my hands because my contact ended but I also have a GF and bills piling up, not a teen anymore and the "grumpy ol dmen" gand may be even worse.

Andrew

Regards


David


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Hello apam!

21 Oct 24 08:05, you wrote to me:

Thanks for the visit, here is my reply ;)

A couple of other suggestions for you BBS:

* Have an option for an english language, spanish as default is fine,
but is hard to navigate if you can't speak spanish

Yup, I was working on the Spanish (default) and a change language key but strangely enough I find Mystic's menu system hard to get a grip on.

* The local message base can't be written in (probably a security
level setting) I was going to write this in your local base but could
not.

I will check that, s20 which should be s10, I just changed it though, you're right if you just wanted to comment on a BBS you'll never log back in at leats as a non-authenticated user, you should be able to LoL.

* Change the welcome screen, we're not all great text mode artists,
but many people are going to see the default mystic welcome screen and assume your BBS is just a stock mystic install (it's not) and probably just disconnect.

Looging to create some ASCII, but I'm not Davinci or Picaso, so that's WIP and also I don't even know what's mystic's welcome screen yet, LMAO.

Anyway, good job so far - it's good to have more BBSes in other
languages I think.

Completely right, I'm also of those thinking you should be able to say something and read in english, AFAIK, more people speak spansh than english with all hispanoparlante community

Andrew

You rock, thanks

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David


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Re: In this list? (NET4)
By: David Gonzalez to apam on Mon Oct 21 2024 07:23 am

Howdy,

True, and as I stated before, not even HUBs are welcoming anymore, now everybody wants "automation", what for?, so thay tehy don't have to deal with questions or help newcomers?. anyways as you said, it's a two-way street, carelesss people and grumy old a-holes, sorry about that but I had to get it off my chest.

I dont agree with this sentiment.

Apart from the fact that I'm a hub myself, I also work with many other folks who run hubs - and I most of them have always been helpful and have pride in running their hub - ensuring that it is doing what the folks who use it expect.

Why the automation - I've written clrghouz with a lot of automation, and you might be a victim of some of that. Why? For me, its for two reasons:

* To identify and notify configuration problems and let the sysop know so that can fix it - especially when those config problems might be affecting their interaction on the net (like messages not being delivered).

* I'm a Dad, an Employee, a Husband, a Nerd, a Developer and somewhere in those hours I provide a Hub service to sysops who want to be a part of this hobby.

I like to run a clean ship, and doing so requires a lot of mundane repetative tasks - which sometimes also results in errors that affects users of the hub. This tech was "designed" 50 years ago and we have learnt a lot since then.

So automation helps alot - and the developer side of me likes creating it.

But back to your original comment though, yes, there are people in this hobby who are not helpful, unfriendly, disrespectful, etc - and I can list a few. But I dont need them, and its rare that I interact with them, and I have the "next" key at my disposal.

So forget about the unfriendly people and interact with the rest, you'll find t his a more enjoyable place.


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Hello deon!

22 Oct 24 08:55, you wrote to me:

Re: In this list? (NET4)
By: David Gonzalez to apam on Mon Oct 21 2024 07:23 am

Howdy,

True, and as I stated before, not even HUBs are welcoming anymore,
now everybody wants "automation", what for?, so thay tehy don't
have to deal with questions or help newcomers?. anyways as you
said, it's a two-way street, carelesss people and grumy old
a-holes, sorry about that but I had to get it off my chest.

I dont agree with this sentiment.

Apart from the fact that I'm a hub myself, I also work with many other folks who run hubs - and I most of them have always been helpful and
have pride in running their hub - ensuring that it is doing what the
folks who use it expect.

Why the automation - I've written clrghouz with a lot of automation,
and you might be a victim of some of that. Why? For me, its for two reasons:

* To identify and notify configuration problems and let the sysop know
so that can fix it - especially when those config problems might be affecting their interaction on the net (like messages not being delivered).

* I'm a Dad, an Employee, a Husband, a Nerd, a Developer and somewhere
in those hours I provide a Hub service to sysops who want to be a part
of this hobby.

I like to run a clean ship, and doing so requires a lot of mundane repetative tasks - which sometimes also results in errors that affects users of the hub. This tech was "designed" 50 years ago and we have
learnt a lot since then.

So automation helps alot - and the developer side of me likes creating
it.

But back to your original comment though, yes, there are people in
this hobby who are not helpful, unfriendly, disrespectful, etc - and I
can list a few. But I dont need them, and its rare that I interact
with them, and I have the "next" key at my disposal.

So forget about the unfriendly people and interact with the rest,
you'll find t his a more enjoyable place.

Still in the look out, many of the things can be automated, helping other cannot IMHO.

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True, and as I stated before, not even HUBs are welcoming anymore, now everybody wants "automation", what for?, so thay tehy don't have to deal with questions or help newcomers?. anyways as you said, it's a two-way street, carelesss people and grumy old a-holes, sorry about that but I had to get it off my chest.

Automation is helpful because many people come and go to the networks, remember most have full time jobs and family to take care of, and the work for running a network can pile up rather quickly.

With automation people don't need to wait for the network operator to catch up and get set up more quickly.

I do agree some hubs are grumpy old men, but most that I know just have a lot to deal with in their real lives, also while I understand your frustration, when we call people grumpy old a-holes, it can make them less inclined to want to help us.

Andrew

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On 22 Oct 2024, deon said the following...

But back to your original comment though, yes, there are people in this hobby who are not helpful, unfriendly, disrespectful, etc - and I can
list a few.

So forget about the unfriendly people and interact with the rest, you'll find t his a more enjoyable place.

Further to this, you may want to add a new menu option in Mystic:

(UF) Edit Twit Filter

This is the personal twit filter that will hide messages to/from those you don't wish to see. It leaves them in the message base for other users who may want to see them.

GoldED also has a twit filter as well.
Add to golded.cfg:

TWITMODE IGNORE
TWITTO YES

TWITNAME Firstname Lastname 1
TWITNAME Alias 1
TWITNAME Firstname Lastname 2
TWITNAME Alias 2
TWITNAME Etc...


Jay

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Hello Warpslide!

21 Oct 24 21:40, you wrote to me:

On 22 Oct 2024, deon said the following...

But back to your original comment though, yes, there are people
in this hobby who are not helpful, unfriendly, disrespectful, etc
- and I can list a few.

So forget about the unfriendly people and interact with the rest,
you'll find t his a more enjoyable place.

Further to this, you may want to add a new menu option in Mystic:

(UF) Edit Twit Filter

This is the personal twit filter that will hide messages to/from those
you don't wish to see. It leaves them in the message base for other
users who may want to see them.

GoldED also has a twit filter as well.
Add to golded.cfg:

TWITMODE IGNORE
TWITTO YES

TWITNAME Firstname Lastname 1
TWITNAME Alias 1
TWITNAME Firstname Lastname 2
TWITNAME Alias 2
TWITNAME Etc...

Nice addition and good suggestion. I'll bookmark this.

In the meantime, still struggling to get a SAVEMENU option Save & Send, I want to save the message create the SEM and make mystic poll my uplink.

Thanks

Jay

... By the power vested in me by the internet, I now pronounce you man
and wifi

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David


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Hello David!

21 Oct 24 20:46, you wrote to Warpslide:

TWITNAME Firstname Lastname 1
TWITNAME Alias 1
TWITNAME Firstname Lastname 2
TWITNAME Alias 2
TWITNAME Etc...

Nice addition and good suggestion. I'll bookmark this.

This is one of mine. It just skips anything from or to this sock puppet.


TwitName Lee Lofaso
TwitMode Skip
TwitTo Yes
TwitFrom Yes




Vorlon


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Hello Vorlon!

22 Oct 24 12:55, you wrote to me:

Hello David!

21 Oct 24 20:46, you wrote to Warpslide:

TWITNAME Firstname Lastname 1
TWITNAME Alias 1
TWITNAME Firstname Lastname 2
TWITNAME Alias 2
TWITNAME Etc...

Nice addition and good suggestion. I'll bookmark this.

This is one of mine. It just skips anything from or to this sock
puppet.

TwitName Lee Lofaso
TwitMode Skip
TwitTo Yes
TwitFrom Yes

LOL, how many may my name show up on ATM?, wondering....

Vorlon

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David


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Hello David!

21 Oct 24 21:13, you wrote to me:

This is one of mine. It just skips anything from or to this sock
puppet.

TwitName Lee Lofaso
TwitMode Skip
TwitTo Yes
TwitFrom Yes

LOL, how many may my name show up on ATM?, wondering....

Do you mean is there a limit to the number of entryes (I have ten right now) or if your on someomes twit list?




Vorlon


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