• Re: New to this

    From Arelor@21:2/138 to Cougar428 on Thursday, May 01, 2025 19:05:27
    Re: Re: New to this
    By: Cougar428 to ARELOR on Tue Apr 29 2025 06:07 pm

    I don't disagree with you, but sometimes you need to stop worrying
    about something which is deeply bothering you in order to relax and
    worry about the things that are dear to you.

    I am not worried, I have been working on my contingency plan for a decade and a half and so far it looks good.


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  • From Gryphon@21:1/101 to boraxman on Tuesday, May 06, 2025 06:10:07
    On 25 Apr 2025 at 01:27p, boraxman pondered and said...

    On 23 Apr 2025 at 09:51a, Nightfox pondered and said...

    Re: Re: New to this
    By: boraxman to Nightfox on Wed Apr 23 2025 11:56 pm

    Got to fix JuiceSSH on my Android. I was saying that University can be a liability, because people learn some strange and extrem political and social view from Uni, that get transferred into th workplace, where they are definately less than welcome.

    I feel like that would be a strange thing to be happening. I can't s experienced any political bias in college, but maybe some colleges & universities are doing that for some reason..


    Its pretty rife in the major universities in Melbourne and Sydney, particularly Melbourne. More-so student activism that rubs off on
    others. They adopt a particular set of values, then seek to exert these in the workplace, or vice-versa, the workplace then modifies its culture and its workings, in order to accomodate their beliefs.
    You end up with a situation where the company is geared towards a very specific, very localised worldview.

    It could also be safe to say that education brings out different points of view and is one of the reasons why there is an assault of education in the US.

    "Amy Pond, there's something you better understand about me 'cause it's
    important, and one day your life may depend upon it. I am definitely a Mad
    Man with a Blue Box."
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  • From Gryphon@21:1/101 to boraxman on Tuesday, May 06, 2025 06:17:03
    On 25 Apr 2025 at 01:43p, boraxman pondered and said...

    As for politicians keeping prices high for their own personal benefit. They are traitors to their nation, and should be dealt with as such.
    How people think this is acceptable, and shouldn't result in severe punishment is beyond me. But hey, thats why we're all going to end up homeless, because we accept this from them.

    I wish there were a way to updoot this message.

    "Amy Pond, there's something you better understand about me 'cause it's
    important, and one day your life may depend upon it. I am definitely a Mad
    Man with a Blue Box."
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  • From Gryphon@21:1/101 to Dmxrob on Tuesday, May 06, 2025 06:25:49
    On 25 Apr 2025 at 10:43a, Dmxrob pondered and said...

    BY: boraxman (21:1/101)
    On Saturday,April 19, 2025 at 10:53 AM, Boraxman (21:1/101) wrote:

    My mum is a Boomer, and she said people can just "Scrimp and Save" like she did. I asked her how long it took to pay off the mortgage. We gre
    As someone who is "older" now (50s) statements like that piss me off.
    It is amazing how people 20 years older than I am think the world hasn't changed since 1955. They don't realize, or want to acknowledge, how
    many government programs and aid they had in their day, compared to what Gen X and beyond got - which was squat.

    This attitude nowadays of "I got mine, and screw you" is prevelant with
    so many people of that generation, and others. They feel the younger generation should shoulder all the burden of society and taxes while
    they amass even more wealth. I'm very much against that, and believe
    that EVERYONE - I don't care your age - should pay in to taxes, etc. I don't support "senior tax freeze" nonsense. Why should young families have to "scrimp" to pay for services you are using while you have more than enough assets to pay for own?



    Anyway, I've ranted enough. I just think this issue is even bigger tha most people think it is.

    It is... and getting worse .

    Once again, I wish I could upvote this message.

    "Amy Pond, there's something you better understand about me 'cause it's
    important, and one day your life may depend upon it. I am definitely a Mad
    Man with a Blue Box."
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  • From Gryphon@21:1/101 to boraxman on Tuesday, May 06, 2025 06:45:20
    On 26 Apr 2025 at 10:35p, boraxman pondered and said...

    Meghan Fitzgerald wrote to boraxman <=-

    On 15 Apr 2025 at 06:52p, Meghan Fitzgerald pondered and said...


    I am new to this FSX. How is everyone?
    Meg

    Welcome. Obviously not your first time on BBS?
    No not my first time. I have been using this one here for many years and now that I am getting close to retirement with more free time I wanted to get back into this. I used FidoNet a LONG time ago and am starting to get back into it. I don't like the way social media today looks and feels. This is what I remember most. Have a great day and thanks for writing back to me. Meg

    I don't really like how Social Media works. Toxic, and the interface
    is pretty poor too. Unfortunately, that is where the people are, but
    its like having to walk into a minefield to talk to people, because everyone else is there. You stand there and say "We shouldn't stand
    in a minefield", but everyone stays, because thats where the people
    are.

    Anyway, I'm here because I like to practice what I preach, and if more people come to better platforms, the better for us.

    The platform won't help. If you remember, fidonet is called FIGHT-O-NET, and for good reason. The problem isn't you have to walk through a minefield to talk to people. The people ARE the minefield. Where ever you get people with opinions together (like here) they will bring the mines with them.

    "Amy Pond, there's something you better understand about me 'cause it's
    important, and one day your life may depend upon it. I am definitely a Mad
    Man with a Blue Box."
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Gryphon on Monday, May 05, 2025 12:20:38
    Re: Re: New to this
    By: Gryphon to boraxman on Tue May 06 2025 06:17 am

    I wish there were a way to updoot this message.

    What is "updoot"?

    Nightfox
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  • From Gryphon@21:1/101 to Nightfox on Tuesday, May 06, 2025 07:33:30
    On 27 Apr 2025 at 05:52p, Nightfox pondered and said...

    Re: When I have to turn away job interviews..
    By: Ogg to boraxman on Sun Apr 27 2025 01:59 pm

    I would still think that if companies that "really really" want you, will pay the costs of a move.

    One time I moved for a job, and the company reimbursed me for the costs
    of the move. However, from what I was advised, my reimbursement was considered income and was thus taxed.. so after taxes were taken out,
    it didn't fully cover the costs of the move for me.

    Had a similar situation. My job moved and I had to move with it or I'd get left behind. The company paid for the move, and they paid the taxes on the move.

    "Amy Pond, there's something you better understand about me 'cause it's
    important, and one day your life may depend upon it. I am definitely a Mad
    Man with a Blue Box."
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  • From Gryphon@21:1/101 to Nightfox on Tuesday, May 06, 2025 07:55:13
    On 05 May 2025 at 12:20p, Nightfox pondered and said...

    Re: Re: New to this
    By: Gryphon to boraxman on Tue May 06 2025 06:17 am

    I wish there were a way to updoot this message.

    What is "updoot"?

    It's slang for a reddit-style upvote.

    "Amy Pond, there's something you better understand about me 'cause it's
    important, and one day your life may depend upon it. I am definitely a Mad
    Man with a Blue Box."
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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Gryphon on Monday, May 05, 2025 17:21:21
    Re: Re: New to this
    By: Gryphon to boraxman on Tue May 06 2025 06:45 am

    The platform won't help. If you remember, fidonet is called FIGHT-O-NET, and for good reason. The problem isn't you have to walk through a minefield to talk to people. The people ARE the minefield. Where ever you get people with opinions together (like here) they will bring the mines with them.

    Well, I think the platform matters because some platforms are fully operated by censors.

    See, if I write a Dovenet review about an RPG book and critizise it for pushing political points that are shoehorned into it, some people might be angry and argue my review is trash. **And that is fine**. Talking only to people you agree with is boring after a while and you don't get to learn much.

    However, you post the same review on RPGnet and you get banned, they create a thread about why you got banned and how cool it is you got banned. The place is dying for a reason.

    Communication systems without global banning authorities are a godsend. They make a total difference. They will never achieve mass appeal again because regular people can't take the heat and will rather have the Ban Police take their freedom in exchange for saving them from imaginary threats, just like in real life. This does not mean we can't use them ourselves.


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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:2/127 to Arelor on Monday, May 05, 2025 19:40:00
    Arelor wrote to Gryphon <=-

    Well, I think the platform matters because some platforms are fully operated by censors.

    See, if I write a Dovenet review about an RPG book and critizise it for pushing political points that are shoehorned into it, some people might
    be angry and argue my review is trash. **And that is fine**. Talking
    only to people you agree with is boring after a while and you don't get
    to learn much.

    You are so right on this! I think BBS people are thicker skinned, and
    worst case just don't read it! The general public and 'social media
    people' don't have that skill...

    And your last point - echo chambers reinforce. I WANT someome to challenge
    my beliefs. It let's me either learn that I'm not as right as I thought
    I was, or I learn that even in the face of disention I am firmly rooted. Win/Win

    However, you post the same review on RPGnet and you get banned, they create a thread about why you got banned and how cool it is you got banned. The place is dying for a reason.

    Is that a forum or reddit or what? I don't 'hang out' on either, but I
    do enjoy RPG's! :-) Having a Christian worldview means my views are not
    really welcome in the modern RPG space... No, I don't go attacking, but
    as you inferred, disagreement means you are evil.

    Communication systems without global banning authorities are a godsend. They make a total difference. They will never achieve mass appeal again because regular people can't take the heat and will rather have the Ban Police take their freedom in exchange for saving them from imaginary threats, just like in real life. This does not mean we can't use them ourselves.

    Great point! I regularly talk to people that are willing to give up
    personal freedom for the 'safety' of society. Problem is when society
    is not truly free, you're not truly safe either.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Jimmy Anderson on Tuesday, May 06, 2025 11:18:30
    Re: Re: New to this
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Arelor on Mon May 05 2025 07:40 pm

    However, you post the same review on RPGnet and you get banned, they create a thread about why you got banned and how cool it is you got banned. The place is dying for a reason.

    Is that a forum or reddit or what? I don't 'hang out' on either, but I
    do enjoy RPG's! :-) Having a Christian worldview means my views are not really welcome in the modern RPG space... No, I don't go attacking, but
    as you inferred, disagreement means you are evil.


    RPGnet is a forum about, you guess it, tabletop Roleplaying Games :-P

    There are lots of traditional style games still made if you don't like modern trends. I don't know what your tolerance towards dark subjects is (ie. if you are fine with a game having demons and the like) but you can fish for lots of cool stuff in the OSR movement or the NSR (Old School Renaissance and New School Renaissance, respectively).

    If you are fine with demons and the like, a popular Spanish game which has been translated to English is Aquelarre. It is a middle-age themed game in which players belong to any of the given ethnic groups that existed in the Iberian Peninsula in the 15th Century. The authors made a lot of research regarding local myths, the practice of paganism in those years, that sort of thing. The idea is the players get to beat all the evil witches and otherwordly spirits to a pulp for treasure and XP :-)

    If you want something more traditional there is the Pendragon game, designed to roleplay the Arthuric Legend. This game is usualy bought with the Great Pendragon Campaign in order to play the whole story of King Arthur from start to finish.


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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:2/138 to Meghan Fitzgerald on Tuesday, May 06, 2025 19:43:36
    Meghan Fitzgerald wrote to All <=-

    I am new to this FSX. How is everyone?

    Well I can't answer for everyone, but I feel blessed! :-)



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Arelor on Tuesday, May 06, 2025 19:27:17
    Re: Re: New to this
    By: Arelor to Jimmy Anderson on Tue May 06 2025 11:18 am

    RPGnet is a forum about, you guess it, tabletop Roleplaying Games :-P

    Oh, well - I was ready to gloat about my collection of rocket propelled grenade launchers...
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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:2/138 to Arelor on Wednesday, May 07, 2025 12:57:52
    Arelor wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    RPGnet is a forum about, you guess it, tabletop Roleplaying Games :-P

    There are lots of traditional style games still made if you don't like modern trends. I don't know what your tolerance towards dark subjects
    is (ie. if you are fine with a game having demons and the like) but you can fish for lots of cool stuff in the OSR movement or the NSR (Old
    School Renaissance and New School Renaissance, respectively).

    I'm currently DM'ing a game for my old friends from high school. We are
    using AD&D 1st Edition, and I'm very familiar with OSR.

    My first RPG was Top Secret way back when. :-)

    When you say 'modern trends' I think you are asking about my preference of game. I meant that Gencon and other places are very OPEN and INVITING to
    people of all beliefs, and I'm okay with that! The problem is if someone
    asks for my opinion I will give it, and I know it's likely to label me
    a 'hater,' even though that's not true and definately not my intent.

    If you want something more traditional there is the Pendragon game, designed to roleplay the Arthuric Legend. This game is usualy bought
    with the Great Pendragon Campaign in order to play the whole story of
    King Arthur from start to finish.

    Have heard of and read about that - not something I ever looked deeply into, but always thought it was interesting!


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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Gryphon on Saturday, May 10, 2025 17:41:26
    Re: Re: New to this
    By: Gryphon to Nightfox on Tue May 06 2025 07:55 am

    On 05 May 2025 at 12:20p, Nightfox pondered and said...

    Re: Re: New to this
    By: Gryphon to boraxman on Tue May 06 2025 06:17 am

    I wish there were a way to updoot this message.

    What is "updoot"?

    It's slang for a reddit-style upvote.

    Synchronet supports up-voting (or down-voting) messages, but only local and QWK-networked messages. Someday I'd like to extend that to FTN and then maybe other (non-Synchronet) BBSes could join in the fun.
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  • From Utopian Galt@21:1/183 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, May 11, 2025 18:02:33
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Utopian Galt <=-

    The problem is the PEOPLE. Real estate owners see their holdings as
    sacrosanct and always on the rise. Building affordable housing could
    lower your resale value. Those same people lobby for hurdles to
    affordable housing in government.

    In many places, there's available rentals - but the inflated real
    estate market has landlords and home owners alike is keeping prices
    high.

    If we want less people on SNAP/Food Assistance, we need to make rent more affordable.
    We have to build, build, build.
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  • From Alonzo@21:1/130 to Jimmy Anderson on Tuesday, May 13, 2025 05:34:52
    be angry and argue my review is trash. **And that is fine**. Talking only to people you agree with is boring after a while and you don't ge

    When I was a kid, my friends and I would do something to
    keep from being too bored - We would have debates. One
    of us would take one side of the arguement and another
    kid would take the other (even if we totally disagreed
    with it).

    Try that sometime. It really opens up your mind. After
    taking am opinion you didn't agree with at all and
    trying to defend it, we would sometimes go "Aha"
    and change our actual beliefs.

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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to Alonzo on Tuesday, May 13, 2025 12:55:12
    Re: Re: New to this
    By: Alonzo to Jimmy Anderson on Tue May 13 2025 05:34:52

    When I was a kid, my friends and I would do something to
    keep from being too bored - We would have debates. One
    of us would take one side of the arguement and another
    kid would take the other (even if we totally disagreed
    with it).

    Try that sometime. It really opens up your mind. After
    taking am opinion you didn't agree with at all and
    trying to defend it, we would sometimes go "Aha"
    and change our actual beliefs.

    That sounds cool and all but have you ever tried just shouting over everyone else's opinions and calling them mean names if they still don't agree with you?

    I am joking, of course... but these days it's hard to tell.

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Bob Worm on Wednesday, May 14, 2025 10:19:18
    Bob Worm wrote to Alonzo <=-

    Re: Re: New to this
    By: Alonzo to Jimmy Anderson on Tue May 13 2025 05:34:52

    When I was a kid, my friends and I would do something to
    keep from being too bored - We would have debates. One
    of us would take one side of the arguement and another
    kid would take the other (even if we totally disagreed
    with it).

    Try that sometime. It really opens up your mind. After
    taking am opinion you didn't agree with at all and
    trying to defend it, we would sometimes go "Aha"
    and change our actual beliefs.

    That sounds cool and all but have you ever tried just shouting over everyone else's opinions and calling them mean names if they still
    don't agree with you?

    I am joking, of course... but these days it's hard to tell.

    Just shouting "---phobic" does the trick is most circumstances.

    These days, you just get offended at the opposing argument and declare victory because you found the antithesis personally offensive.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to boraxman on Tuesday, May 13, 2025 17:26:18
    Re: Re: New to this
    By: boraxman to Bob Worm on Wed May 14 2025 10:19 am

    Just shouting "---phobic" does the trick is most circumstances.

    Sometimes I think "--phobic" terminology isn't really accurate. If someone is "homophobic", for instance, I don't think they're afraid; that term seems to be used for people who generally disagree with being that way, rather than being afraid of it.

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Nightfox on Wednesday, May 14, 2025 21:59:47
    On 13 May 2025 at 05:26p, Nightfox pondered and said...

    Re: Re: New to this
    By: boraxman to Bob Worm on Wed May 14 2025 10:19 am

    Just shouting "---phobic" does the trick is most circumstances.

    Sometimes I think "--phobic" terminology isn't really accurate. If someone is "homophobic", for instance, I don't think they're afraid;
    that term seems to be used for people who generally disagree with being that way, rather than being afraid of it.


    Of course not. The point of the terms is just to present an air of moral supremacy. They're not meant to be accurate, just manipulative.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Alonzo on Wednesday, May 14, 2025 09:12:35
    Re: Re: New to this
    By: Alonzo to Jimmy Anderson on Tue May 13 2025 05:34 am

    When I was a kid, my friends and I would do something to
    keep from being too bored - We would have debates. One
    of us would take one side of the arguement and another
    kid would take the other (even if we totally disagreed
    with it).

    Try that sometime. It really opens up your mind. After
    taking am opinion you didn't agree with at all and
    trying to defend it, we would sometimes go "Aha"
    and change our actual beliefs.

    This used to be a popular campfire game around here but I have never seen anybody switch opinions from it.


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  • From Ed Vance@21:1/175 to Adept on Wednesday, May 14, 2025 12:52:03


    It's _mostly_ fine if you read it backwards.

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  • From Ed Vance@21:1/175 to StormTrooper on Wednesday, May 14, 2025 12:53:29
    Sorry, tapped wrong place on this phone
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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to boraxman on Wednesday, May 14, 2025 23:10:17
    Re: Re: New to this
    By: boraxman to Nightfox on Wed May 14 2025 21:59:47

    Of course not. The point of the terms is just to present an air of moral supremacy. They're not meant to be accurate, just manipulative.

    Errr.... every single time?

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  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to Ed Vance on Thursday, May 15, 2025 01:00:08
    Sorry, tapped wrong place on this phone

    Case of fat finger? :)

    ST

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  • From Ed Vance@21:1/175 to StormTrooper on Wednesday, May 14, 2025 21:07:26


    Case of fat finger? :)

    ST

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    Fat Fingeritis.
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  • From Meghan Fitzgerald@21:1/242 to Uber-Geek on Wednesday, May 14, 2025 20:57:21
    I am new to this FSX. How is everyone?
    Meg

    The horrors persist, but so do I.

    Welcome to the net!
    Thank you.
    Meg
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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Bob Worm on Thursday, May 15, 2025 21:08:31
    On 14 May 2025 at 11:10p, Bob Worm pondered and said...

    Re: Re: New to this
    By: boraxman to Nightfox on Wed May 14 2025 21:59:47

    Of course not. The point of the terms is just to present an air of mor supremacy. They're not meant to be accurate, just manipulative.

    Errr.... every single time?


    I would say the majority of times, yes. And by "majority", I mean overwhelming majority. That is my observation.

    Labels like that come with a moral presumption, and by using it, you are asking the accused to also accept that presumption.

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  • From mary4@21:2/150 to Nightfox on Thursday, May 15, 2025 10:11:16
    Just shouting "---phobic" does the trick is most circumstances.
    Sometimes I think "--phobic" terminology isn't really accurate. If someone is "homophobic", for instance, I don't think they're afraid;
    that term seems to be used for people who generally disagree with being that way, rather than being afraid of it.

    i agree phobic just means fear of
    there is a term for hatred
    ---misia
    like transmisias are people i can never like!

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to mary4 on Thursday, May 15, 2025 10:34:06
    Re: Re: New to this
    By: mary4 to Nightfox on Thu May 15 2025 10:11 am

    i agree phobic just means fear of
    there is a term for hatred
    ---misia
    like transmisias are people i can never like!

    I've also heard of the term "misophonia", which is a condition some people have where some noises can trigger feelings of irritation, anger, anxiety, etc.. Often it could be noises like people popping gum, chewing food with their mouth open, or sometimes other random noises.

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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to Nightfox on Friday, May 16, 2025 09:07:21
    Re: Re: New to this
    By: Nightfox to mary4 on Thu May 15 2025 10:34:06

    Hi, Nightfox.

    I've also heard of the term "misophonia", which is a condition some people have where some noises can trigger feelings of irritation, anger, anxiety, etc.. Often it could be noises like people popping gum, chewing food with their mouth open, or sometimes other random noises.

    I started to write a joke remark about how all of those noises are irritating so maybe I have misophonia... Then I thought about how the wife regularly comments that I'm "funny about noise" so maybe there's something to that?

    When I'm under the weather I really can't stand loud noise and get quite cranky. My mother in law - who is great, by the way - speaks so loudly that I sometimes have to leave the room, and that's often the first warning that I'm coming down with something :(

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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to MARY4 on Friday, May 16, 2025 09:24:00
    Just shouting "---phobic" does the trick is most circumstances.
    Sometimes I think "--phobic" terminology isn't really accurate. If someone is "homophobic", for instance, I don't think they're afraid; that term seems to be used for people who generally disagree with being that way, rather than being afraid of it.

    i agree phobic just means fear of
    there is a term for hatred
    ---misia
    like transmisias are people i can never like!

    I suspect they used -phobia because people who have a strong dislike for
    things often do so out of fear (i.e. spiders or snakes). I still believe
    there are a lot of people who have -phobias towards certain groups of
    people but, yes, these days it is also very obvious that some people are
    just hateful.


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Bob Worm on Friday, May 16, 2025 09:45:56
    Re: Re: New to this
    By: Bob Worm to Nightfox on Fri May 16 2025 09:07 am

    I've also heard of the term "misophonia", which is a condition some people
    have where some noises can trigger feelings of irritation, anger, anxiety,
    etc.. Often it could be noises like people popping gum, chewing food with
    their mouth open, or sometimes other random noises.

    I started to write a joke remark about how all of those noises are irritating so maybe I have misophonia... Then I thought about how the wife regularly comments that I'm "funny about noise" so maybe there's something to that?

    Yeah, I think there are sounds that are irritating to everyone (and for instance, that's why it's generally considered rude to chew food with your mouth open).

    Some people joke about it (and not all doctors will diagnose it), but it seems it's an actual condition. And I think it's more than just being irritated with a sound. There's a subreddit on Reddit about it, and sometimes I see people complaining they wish they didn't have misophonia as they don't want to feel angry just because they hear a sound (which could be a fairly common sound).

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Dumas Walker on Saturday, May 17, 2025 20:23:48
    On 16 May 2025 at 09:24a, Dumas Walker pondered and said...

    Just shouting "---phobic" does the trick is most circumstances
    Sometimes I think "--phobic" terminology isn't really accurate. If someone is "homophobic", for instance, I don't think they're afraid that term seems to be used for people who generally disagree with b that way, rather than being afraid of it.

    i agree phobic just means fear of
    there is a term for hatred
    ---misia
    like transmisias are people i can never like!

    I suspect they used -phobia because people who have a strong dislike for things often do so out of fear (i.e. spiders or snakes). I still believe there are a lot of people who have -phobias towards certain groups of people but, yes, these days it is also very obvious that some people are just hateful.


    I just saw an annoying ad on TV, with celebrities carping on about "Hate" and all the "phobias".

    It's beyond parody now. People are so so sick of the preaching and the SJW messaging in their face every damn day.

    They're tilting at windmills here, seeing all this bigotry and hate which just isn't there.

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  • From jimmylogan@21:1/137 to Alonzo on Saturday, May 17, 2025 20:02:37
    Alonzo wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    be angry and argue my review is trash. **And that is fine**. Talking only to people you agree with is boring after a while and you don't
    ge


    When I was a kid, my friends and I would do something to
    keep from being too bored - We would have debates. One
    of us would take one side of the arguement and another
    kid would take the other (even if we totally disagreed
    with it).

    Try that sometime. It really opens up your mind. After
    taking an opinion you didn't agree with at all and
    trying to defend it, we would sometimes go "Aha"
    and change our actual beliefs.

    Yep! Had a buddy text me today with basically, "I read
    your blog and it's great - but I disagree with this
    point." We talked about it and I gave my reasons and
    he gave his, and in the end I said, "you know what?
    You are right!" :-)



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Bob Worm on Sunday, May 18, 2025 10:00:17
    Bob Worm wrote to Nightfox <=-

    When I'm under the weather I really can't stand loud noise and get
    quite cranky. My mother in law - who is great, by the way - speaks so loudly that I sometimes have to leave the room, and that's often the
    first warning that I'm coming down with something :(

    2 15 year-old girls in the back seat talking about boys, schoolwork, the teachers they don't like... the volume gets louder and louder the longer
    we drive...



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  • From Scuz@21:1/244 to Nightfox on Wednesday, May 21, 2025 12:29:46
    |15�|07�|04� Nightfox |08Said
    He started speaking backwards mid message. Maybe he is a witch!!! :D

    Let's wait and see if he turns anyone into a newt..
    |15�|07�|04� Nightfox|08 Shut up

    Burn him!!!

    |15-|07S|08cuz(TX|04!|08)

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Scuz on Wednesday, May 21, 2025 09:41:49
    Re: Re:New to this
    By: Scuz to Nightfox on Wed May 21 2025 12:29 pm

    He started speaking backwards mid message. Maybe he is a witch!!! :D

    Let's wait and see if he turns anyone into a newt.. ��� Nightfox Shut up

    You replied to me, but I didn't write what you quoted..

    Also, pretty much all the text in your message was very dark (the "high intensity black" attribute, I think), so it was a bit difficult to read..

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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Nightfox on Thursday, May 22, 2025 08:17:51
    Re: Re:New to this
    By: Nightfox to Scuz on Wed May 21 2025 09:41 am

    Howdy,

    Also, pretty much all the text in your message was very dark (the "high intensity black" attribute, I think), so it was a bit difficult to read..

    FWIW, it wasnt "all" dark for me. Only the "Said" and "Shut up" were dark.

    The rest of the text was normal gray/white, except the "Nightfox" which was dark red.


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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to BORAXMAN on Saturday, May 31, 2025 11:24:00
    They're tilting at windmills here, seeing all this bigotry and hate which just
    isn't there.

    While that is my overall conclusion, there are unfortunately just enough examples of hateful people and actions out there to give their
    windmill-tilting some credence.


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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to Dmxrob on Saturday, May 31, 2025 13:30:12
    that. Rents are no different. Rental prices are $1800+ a month - on places that I very well remember used to be $250 a month.

    Telling young people to just "watch their finances" and such isn't the solution. I know plenty of young folks who work and sleep, spend next to nothing on outside activities, and are still scrimping. How many jobs should they get to afford to eat and keep the rain off their heads?

    When I was younger I used to see that half or my salary was to pay the rents+utilities and media, second half was for living to feed me, provide clothing and entertainment mostly + 1 holiday trip a year.

    I remember when I was younger and in my 20s, my salary was something closer to 1500-2000 USD as equivalent and I was just fine although not having much space (maybe something like 40-50sqm) for myself and and then we gf who paid the bills and I paid the rents and we both were financially a bit gainers comparing to previous lives.

    Now I pay my juniors about 4k USD as equivalent and rental is also about twice as much in the hoods I remember from my young-pro times. They don't complain.

    -h1

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, May 31, 2025 13:32:22

    My son is graduating college and looking to strike out on his own.
    Against my advice, he's living in a wannabe apartment on campus. Since it's campus housing, he's going to have to move out and find a job. And try to get housing without a work history. He's going to have a couple
    of roommates, for sure.


    Wasn't that normal in bigger cities in US also in the 90s? I recall Friends tv show telling that story as quite standard in NYC. SF has no reason to be different.

    -h1

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to hollowone on Sunday, June 01, 2025 09:00:38
    hollowone wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Wasn't that normal in bigger cities in US also in the 90s? I recall Friends tv show telling that story as quite standard in NYC. SF has no reason to be different.

    Normal, but not a requirement. My first apartment out of school was a
    nice studio in a art deco building in a slightly sketchy part of San
    Francisco. $600/month. I made $710 per bi-weekly paycheck.

    Before that, I lived with 2 other people in a house out near the beach, $1000/month. My cut was $360/month.

    Now, the $600 apartment is $2800, and the $1000 rental is worth $1.7
    million.



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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, June 01, 2025 11:56:50

    Now, the $600 apartment is $2800, and the $1000 rental is worth $1.7 million.

    Still, if I had 5000+ a month in my personal earnings and basically two salaries if a life partner is considered.. wouldn't I be just fine?

    I find 5k USD equivalent, net a month salary for educated people quite easy to find in Warsaw/Poland... I'd assume this should not be a problem in SF, being hi-tek central?

    -h1

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to hollowone on Sunday, June 01, 2025 20:34:39
    Re: Re: New to this
    By: hollowone to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jun 01 2025 11:56 am

    Still, if I had 5000+ a month in my personal earnings and basically two salaries if a life partner is considered.. wouldn't I be just fine?

    Yes, and no. 2 tech people making $5K/month would be just fine and have a life with lots of dining out, or day care for a kid. The problem is that the market adjusts, and the plumber, parking lot attendant, and artist can't afford to live in the city any more. So, a vibrant city full of artisans, craftsmen, trades, waiters and baristas with multi-generational families becomes a tech haven. San Francisco even has a tech cabal who want to re-write the city to fit their idea of a tech utopia. It was just fine before they arrived.
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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, June 02, 2025 11:39:36
    Yes, and no. 2 tech people making $5K/month would be just fine and have
    a life with lots of dining out, or day care for a kid. The problem is
    that the market adjusts, and the plumber, parking lot attendant, and artist can't afford to live in the city any more. So, a vibrant city
    full of artisans, craftsmen, trades, waiters and baristas with multi-generational families becomes a tech haven. San Francisco even has
    a tech cabal who want to re-write the city to fit their idea of a tech utopia. It was just fine before they arrived. --- SBBSecho 3.23-Win32

    Well, I see. The way it works in my town is that with high-waged folks prices went up... including plumbing and whatever so everybody can afford his minimum.. I assumed this is how capitalism works.

    I'd love pay half of the price for some of the fixes or learn how to do it myself. Even if I do... I don't have time for that as my hour needs to be well spent to maximize profit and then free time. So I actually am OK to pay twice what I was used to couple of years ago for home services, assuming this keeps the folks in available..

    I also tho have services offered by people who live 150miles away and who work in the city, then come back home in the evenings and calculate all that in. Price is no better.. it's not about price... it's about availability of certain skills locally.

    Art and craft is a different story. But I also think a lot of that moved to the internet eventually and for good art or craft I am able to drive and fly far.

    That's also OK.

    I'd miss pubs and restaurants but with my age and family orientated lifestyle I don't care that much anymore.

    I like my backyard and deck and swimming pool and you name it.. and also nature so for that sake I actually moved out from big city. More to find silence than to afford better. Many also do that if remote working is an option.

    Then going to store to have a few crates of beer, meat and whatever supplies and then back home and spending time with friends in the backyard became a thing.

    Considering all that.. things eveolve.. big cities gather certain folk, then they go.. services also evolve... plumber is always needed but I'd say it's OK he charges twice to keep up with bills of bunch of lame tekkies perfect at typing but not being able to hold a screwdriver to fix simple fix.. especially if these lame tekkies have deeper pockets.

    -h1

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to hollowone on Wednesday, June 04, 2025 17:13:41
    hollowone wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Well, I see. The way it works in my town is that with high-waged folks prices went up... including plumbing and whatever so everybody can
    afford his minimum.. I assumed this is how capitalism works.

    Tradespeople's fees go up, but not in pace with housing costs, which
    are being inflated as an investment vehicle. Tech salaries increase,
    tradespeople move to the suburbs and the balance is lost.

    I'd love pay half of the price for some of the fixes or learn how to do
    it myself. Even if I do... I don't have time for that as my hour needs
    to be well spent to maximize profit and then free time. So I actually
    am OK to pay twice what I was used to couple of years ago for home services, assuming this keeps the folks in available..

    I picked up a series of Time-Life books from the '80s, it was one of
    those mail-order book of the month deals - all covering home repair. $5
    for the set of 15 books at a local thrift shop. It's been a great help.

    The internet is great, too - lots of people who offer tutorials, often
    with the message that if you want them to take care of it, give them a
    call.

    Art and craft is a different story. But I also think a lot of that
    moved to the internet eventually and for good art or craft I am able to drive and fly far.

    They still need a home base. We have a couple of open studio events
    near me that showcase local art, and it's great to be able to
    contribute directly to them. I'm looking forward to the Oakland/East
    Bay open studios this weekend.

    Many are on Etsy, which is great at widening their audience.

    I'd miss pubs and restaurants but with my age and family orientated lifestyle I don't care that much anymore.

    I like my backyard and deck and swimming pool and you name it.. and
    also nature so for that sake I actually moved out from big city. More
    to find silence than to afford better. Many also do that if remote
    working is an option.

    I drive through San Francisco and miss the restaurants and the culture,
    but would need more money than I make to afford the things I'd need at
    this point - like a garage. Street parking was easy when I had a beater
    VW Rabbit :)

    Then going to store to have a few crates of beer, meat and whatever supplies and then back home and spending time with friends in the
    backyard became a thing.

    One nice thing about San Francisco was being able to have the best of
    both worlds. I lived out on the west side of the city, a block from
    Golden Gate Park and a few blocks from the beach, with a house and a
    back yard. It was quiet in the Avenues, but you were 20 minutes from
    downtown. Coming home, you could grab a drink, walk to the beach and
    watch the sun go down over the ocean.



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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, June 04, 2025 21:41:51
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to hollowone <=-

    One nice thing about San Francisco was being able to have the best of
    both worlds. I lived out on the west side of the city, a block from
    Golden Gate Park and a few blocks from the beach, with a house and a
    back yard. It was quiet in the Avenues, but you were 20 minutes from downtown. Coming home, you could grab a drink, walk to the beach and
    watch the sun go down over the ocean.

    We can still do that here in Florida. :-)




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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, June 05, 2025 11:41:10
    One nice thing about San Francisco was being able to have the best of
    both worlds. I lived out on the west side of the city, a block from
    Golden Gate Park and a few blocks from the beach, with a house and a
    back yard. It was quiet in the Avenues, but you were 20 minutes from downtown. Coming home, you could grab a drink, walk to the beach and
    watch the sun go down over the ocean.

    Sounds like days long gone...

    -h1

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to hollowone on Friday, June 06, 2025 07:19:54
    hollowone wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    back yard. It was quiet in the Avenues, but you were 20 minutes from downtown. Coming home, you could grab a drink, walk to the beach and
    watch the sun go down over the ocean.

    Sounds like days long gone...

    The outer Sunset area is still (relatively) affordable, and has lots of
    young people around - San Francisco State University is right down the
    road. The beach is still there, the area is relatively
    franchise-resistant, and the coffee at Java Beach still rocks.

    My local dive bar (which we used to call "Stab City") is now a
    semi-respectable dive run by a couple of Philly imports.

    And, they're turning a coastside highway that was always fighting
    against sand intrusion, erosion and storm damage into a parkway.

    If I moved back, I'd move into one of those old Victorians along the Old
    Great Highway.



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  • From j0hnny a1pha@21:4/158 to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, June 06, 2025 22:05:16
    The outer Sunset area is still (relatively) affordable, and has lots of young people around - San Francisco State University is right down the road. The beach is still there, the area is relatively franchise-resistant, and the coffee at Java Beach still rocks.

    Bay Area guy, too! I agree on Sunset (and Richmond) areas being a good places to be... Young families, yards, etc. My son is looking for a place in SF right now but the invetory is TIGHT!

    I read that housing/rental prices in SF took a hit post-Covid -- like 15% down from its peak -- as tech co's did downsizing, relocating and many remote startup employess ditched the city. Now, Private Equity companies are coming in and making things worse, buying stuff up.

    Prices are creeping back back up because inventory is so low ("recovery?"). The median home price is $1.4M... That's like 2018 prices at their peak, but still way too high unless you just cashed out your AI startup stock, hah.

    Downtown is still pretty dead, edges are very rough. I really like Corona Heights, near the Castro.

    SF is a great city IMHO and it's making a come-back. I'd still be living there if it weren't for the schools being pretty bad when we left for the East Bay (warmer weather and less fog, too).

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to j0hnny a1pha on Monday, June 09, 2025 08:03:19
    j0hnny a1pha wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    The outer Sunset area is still (relatively) affordable, and has lots of young people around - San Francisco State University is right down the road. The beach is still there, the area is relatively franchise-resistant, and the coffee at Java Beach still rocks.

    Bay Area guy, too! I agree on Sunset (and Richmond) areas being a good places to be... Young families, yards, etc. My son is looking for a
    place in SF right now but the invetory is TIGHT!

    My son just graduated college, is job searching and has a possibility
    of renting a room from a friend in the outer sunset at below marke
    rates. I think he's crazy to pass it up, but he's got some hesitancy of
    moving away from the coast.

    Even in his day and age, it would be a wonderful city to be in in your
    20s.






    I read that housing/rental prices in SF took a hit post-Covid -- like
    15% down from its peak -- as tech co's did downsizing, relocating and
    many remote startup employess ditched the city. Now, Private Equity companies are coming in and making things worse, buying stuff up.

    Prices are creeping back back up because inventory is so low ("recovery?"). The median home price is $1.4M... That's like 2018
    prices at their peak, but still way too high unless you just cashed out your AI startup stock, hah.

    Downtown is still pretty dead, edges are very rough. I really like
    Corona Heights, near the Castro.

    SF is a great city IMHO and it's making a come-back. I'd still be
    living there if it weren't for the schools being pretty bad when we
    left for the East Bay (warmer weather and less fog, too).

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